“Doubt everything or believe everything: these are two equally convenient strategies. With either we dispense with the need for reflection.” ~ Henri Poincare
Ever had a conversation with someone and realized that no matter what you said, there was no way your companion would grasp what you were trying to say? One time I was talking excitedly to my nephew Mark about some studies I had recently uncovered about how our minds work. In complete seriousness Mark stopped me and said, “Studies, oh you can’t believe studies like that.” In that moment the conversation ended before it began. With that said, if you are convinced that life is finite and there is no heaven or any kind of existence beyond the physical, chances are good that nothing I can write will make any difference. But, if you are open to some ideas that are intriguing, it might be valuable to read a bit about the ongoing debate of life after death before completely making up your mind.
I became fascinated by this topic after attending a Noetic Sciences conference that I wrote about in my last post. One of the speakers, Dr. Eben Alexander is the author of Proof of Heaven—A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife. Besides hearing Dr. Alexander speak twice during the 3-day event, a number of related topics made the subject irresistible. Of primary importance were two main questions: 1) Does consciousness exist separate from the body or is it merely a biological or chemical result of the brain? 2) Is life a material and limited manifestation, or actually an eternal quantum experience that never begins and never ends? Ultimately, assuming you care in the first place, how any person then answers those two questions, largely determines whether you open the door or slam it shut on any further discussion about eternal life.
First off, I’ll admit that I am biased toward a belief that consciousness is primary and much more than just the way my brain works. I also tend to believe that life is eternal, meaning it exists prior to and after it works in concert with my physical body. I’m fairly sure that all life recycles itself by in the material and the spiritual form. But I’m definitely skeptical about whether a “heavenly” location exists as described by anyone, including Dr. Eben Alexander. I found his description a bit too traditionally religious for my taste and prefer a more cosmic and holistic approach to such questions. And while I will humbly acknowledge that I am as guilty of confirmation bias as much as anyone, I spent the last couple of days researching what I believe are fascinating tidbits of information that both support—and argue against—a belief in both of my earlier questions. They are:
- Millions of people have reported a Near Death Experience (NDE) since ancient times. Data shows that 774 NDEs occur daily in the United States.
- Descriptions of NDEs can be found in the folklore and writings of European, Middle Eastern, African, Indian, East Asian, Pacific, and Native American cultures. (So NDEs are not limited to any one religion.)
- There are numerous consistencies in the vast majority of NDEs regardless of the age, sex, nationality, religion, ethnicity, culture, etc of the person.
- Young children under the age of 5 years who are too young to have internalized expectations of death or the afterlife report consistent experiences.
- People who have never before heard of them also report similar experiences.
- People who have been blind since birth relate similar visual accounts of their NDE.
- Deathbed stories (where the person is not revived) contain similar themes
- Hundreds of scholarly articles have been written over the last 35 years about NDE by highly credentialed and respected professionals.
- NDEs offer affects similar to a mystical experience: a sense of cosmic unity or oneness, transcendence of time and space, deeply positive mood, sense of sacredness, noetic quality or intuitive illumination, paradoxicality, ineffability, transiency, and persistent positive aftereffects.
- There is no straightforward relationship between religiousness and deathbed visions, although they did find that an individual’s belief system influenced the interpretation of the experience.
- After the experience a NDE person (as opposed to others who were close to death without claiming a NDE) reported a heightened sense of spirituality in their lives including an overall tolerance for all ways of religious worship.
- Hundreds of NDEs have been verified. (i.e. Pam Reynolds) who had a severe brain aneurysm so they lowered her body temperature to 60 degrees, her heartbeat and breathing stopped, her brain waves flattened, and the blood was then drained from her head. She experienced an NDE while her body was in this “standstill” plus she also had an out of body experience (OBE) that allowed her to report in detail what was going on in the operating room that was verified later by those present.
- Research in resuscitation now shows that you can be technically “dead” –no heart rate or brain function and if kept under the right circumstances (body & brain kept cool and oxygen levels monitored) your character, your memories (your soul) can be revived several hours later proving that your consciousness exists separate from the workings of your brain.
- Increasing amounts of scientific evidence (i.e. studies) prove that consciousness is separate from the brain and can work independently of it.
- 78% of Americans say they believe in an afterlife–while this doesn’t make it “true” it does point to something that cannot be simply explained as delusion and deserves study.
- 48% of Americans say they believe in ghosts
- 18% say they have felt or been visited by ghosts
- 29% say they have been in touch with the dead
- 24% of Americans say they believe in reincarnation
- Compelling reincarnation evidence (especially from young children ages 3 to 5) has been documented and verified
- Reliable evidence from past life regression to heal and erase physical and psychological issues along with verified information including the ability to speak unknown languages fluently.
- Ongoing scientific studies that show that consciousness is a nonlocal, nonphysical, quantum reality.
Yet, in spite of the above information, a large number of skeptics disregard it and believe adamantly that NDEs are nothing more than wishful thinking or a brain’s reaction to a traumatic experience. Most of these detractors are scientists who are firmly committed to the growing material reductionist worldview provided by science since the seventeenth century. Back in the 1600s anyone who wanted to pursue science was commanded by prevailing religious authorities to stay away from anything that could be considered spiritual, invisible, related to a Deity or having to do with a soul if they wanted to keep their head on their shoulders. And while the scientific pursuit of the material world has reaped tremendous benefits, many scientists have become so anti-religious in study and intent that they are now as fundamental in their beliefs and approach as any religious zealot.
In fact, many scientists like atheists, are pseudo-skeptics. A pseudo-skeptic is defined as anyone who has such strong predisposed beliefs at an emotional and intellectual level that it causes blind “faith” in the truth of something or other. Or, as said by Dave Pruett, “in short scientism is to science what fundamentalism is to religion: cocksure and inflexible.” It’s no surprise then that a Gallup poll on immortality says only 16% of leading scientists believe in life after death as opposed to 67-82% of the general population. Keep in mind we are not talking about a religious belief—but rather a belief that some aspect of being, energy or information continues after death.
So what are some of the arguments that disprove an NDE?
- Some say that low oxygen levels in the brain cause NDEs. (Note: A large majority of the NDE cases did not have lower oxygen levels. Plus–people who suffer oxygen deprivation typically suffer from confusion, and they ”thrash around.” Also, they seldom have memories of the experience.)
- It’s possible that other medications can cause the hallucinations similar to an NDE. (However, evidence shows that those on medications actually have fewer reported NDEs than those with no medication.)
- Temporal-lobe stimulation can approximate some of the experiences of an NDE. (However, the transformative aspect of the experience is absent.)
- Some believe that NDEs can be explained by memories that happen at the exit or entry point of consciousness. (However, when the brain suffers trauma that causes a loss of consciousness, people generally have amnesia, which can last for hours or even days. With cardiac arrest, the insult to the brain is so severe it stops the brain completely.
- The drug ketamine leads to a similar transcendent type of experience and can be induced spontaneously.
According to my research that’s about it, most detractors say that the evidence for NDEs just isn’t good enough to prove that something real and amazing is happening and is worthy of study. They also seem to forget the aphorism, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” What makes the conversation even more fascinating is that at the same time, scientists will admit that most of what they study is merely theories. For example, according to science our Universe is made up of 73% dark matter, and 23% dark energy, with only around 4% of it making up what we even understand as material matter consisting of the planets, stars, galaxies, you, me and everything else we can see and touch. And what is dark matter and dark energy? Scientists don’t know for sure. Beyond that, prevailing theories suggest a “Many Worlds Theory” with unlimited parallel universes each having their own natural laws. Or what about “String Theory?” that theory suggests that eleven separate dimensions exist. In spite of those mind boggling claims, scientists and other skeptics believe that attempting to validate an NDE is impossible and not worth the time and effort.
So what do you think? As I started out saying, my nephew Mark wasn’t even remotely interested in hearing about information I thought fascinating. As many of my other posts suggest, it’s impossible to open, let alone change someone’s mind who doesn’t want it to be changed. Of course, I agree that it is important to study, verify and back up our claims as much as possible. But if we never step out into the unknown at some point, we likely will never make any new discoveries. Remember how Galileo was ridiculed? What about the Wright Brothers, electric light, space travel? Each of those was considered impossible by most, including scientists, who had yet to see proof. Thank goodness someone took the chance and followed through.
It is not my intention to tell you what to believe about eternal life. What I do care about is that you take the time to think it through and decide for yourself. Ultimately, how any of us answers those and other big questions can determine both the direction and the quality of our lives. If you are happy, find meaning, and are at peace with your worldview of life as you see it—then that is all the proof needed. Besides, if all those parallel universes and eleven dimensions are going on around us, we just might be experiencing a form of heaven right here at this very second.
Note: Want more? I’ve recently written a related post about heaven that you may want to check out…It’s titled: How Do You Live If Heaven Is Real?
I think when we die, we won’t even know that we did. It’s like when we go to sleep — when we are asleep, we don’t even know we are asleep UNTIL we wake wake up. And when we don’t wake up anymore, because we died in our sleep, we don’t even know that we are already dead
Dear Kathy,
Your article was really enlightening for me, especially right now as I have been undergoing huge anxiety recently. I have been afraid not necessarily of death, but what happens after. I’m afraid I won’t see my loved ones (siblings, parents, friends, etc.) in the afterlife after I die.
Another thing that I actually wanted to ask is: I’ve researched that many people have experienced NDEs where they saw NOTHING. There was just emptiness, blackness. Even though they described it as “an peaceful, endless, dreamless sleep,” it still scares me that there’s nothing after I die.
Would love to hear your insight into this! I’m just SO, SO AFRAID!
Hi Manuel! So sorry to hear you are having a hard time with this. But remember, I am no expert on this. I did read one time that people often see what they most expect so depending upon their religious background, those images are often a part of the experience. And if you don’t expect anything? But I have no idea and no personal experience myself. But as far as how I personally feel and believe about my own mortality, I rely on my own spiritual beliefs. It might be helpful for you to study various spiritual traditions (and yes there are many around the world) and see if any feel “right” to you. Then study how they approach death and what comes after. That may help you find the peace you seek. May you find the answers you are looking for. ~Kathy
Thank you for your response!!! I just don’t want to believe in something for the sake of believing. I want to KNOW there’s something after death. I want to KNOW that death isn’t the end. But I keep doubting those notions, seeing that they’re 1) hard to believe and 2) too good to be true. How can I overcome this? I WISH death isn’t the end. I WISH I will be able to see my loved ones again.
my wife died 11 years ago i was 60 years old she was 54.i have tried to believe there is something after death but i wished she would come back and talk to me and let me know we would be together again but no such luck so i am left to grow old without her.
Hi Frank. So sorry to hear about your wife. I’m sure it is difficult. Have you connected with groups or others who can understand your pain? You might want to give that a try if you haven’t already. ~Kathy
I have always had an interest in life after death but it just came a little closer. I lost my wife and my best friend one week ago to a massive stroke, very sudden, I am devastated and have just about lost my will to live I miss her so much that I pray to got that we will each other again into eternity.I look about me and see the beauty in people, animals flowers, trees and the land and can’t believe that all of this was created by accident, am I wrong?
Dear Jim. I am so sorry for your loss. I am no expert and haven’t even experienced what you have so I can’t say for certain. But I think that there is LOTS of evidence that life never ends. I also don’t believe anything happens by complete accident. I sincerely hope that you find the peace and support that you need during this challenging time. ~Kathy
thank you for your kind words but where do I go from here. I am 91 yrs old and most of my old friends are gone. I am lost and miss her so very much will I ever be able to hold her again
Dear Jim,
I really understand how you feel.
I have lost my beloved father to cancer a month ago, HE WAS EVERYTHING TO ME.
Everyone tells me life will go on for me but to me it feels like everything has stopped.
I am desperately asking for signs that he is not completely gone but so far nothing has happened.
But somehow I still believe there is more to this world than we can understand.
When my mother passed away 10 years ago I somehow KNEW that my father would follow her exactly 10 years later.
I told this relatives and friends through the years and sadly my prophecy proved to be true.
HOW COULD I KNOW THIS?
It proves to me that death is predestined. And if it is predestined than there must be something else.
I wish you all the best, Jim
Regards,
Tanya
thank you Tanya, it is comforting to know there are others who question and care
Glad to see so many expressing interest in NDE on your blog, in spite of the brainwashing in scientific materialism we all receive from day one. We can’t seem to imagine life without this brainwashing but for reports of near death experiences and related phenomena. For those who haven’t experienced an NDE, they are left with only intellect and reason to grapple with these reports, and maybe a little intuition. Many are just too invested in scientific materialism or religious doctrine to get anything out of the data. That is unfortunate because the NDE give us a glimpse of what reality looks like beyond the brainwashing.
I have been blessed with this experience of reality beyond the brain and can only say that it is more real than anything you can imagine in our brain’s programmed reality. There is an eternal life of the spirit after this one, and it is not necessarily the cliched heaven of the Christian dogma. That should should be clear from the NDE testimonials already reported. Dr. Eben Alexander experienced this reality beyond the brain to its highest levels, but he is very clear about the inadequacy of words to describe it. It is therefore natural to draw on culturally learned symbols to give expression to what are basically ineffable experiences beyond an ecstasy of description, so there is no need to think that we are literally describing these realms of spirit without cloaking them in the metaphors and symbols of our own unconscious mind.
The experience of a Buddhist, Hindu, or atheist will be no less sublime than that of a Christian. It will merely take descriptive shape in different symbols from the unconscious minds of each experiencer. These symbols give way to pure spirit as we ascend into the One, the Godhead, or supreme being, whatever you want to call it, as is very well expressed in Dr. Alexander’s book. At this high point of the near death experience there is no room for doctrinal differences, i.e., Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, etc., only pure Oneness beyond all description and imagination.
Hi Roy! Thanks for adding your thoughts to this post. It is greatly appreciated. ~Kathy
Hi I am a younger child whom doesn’t know what to believe. I strongly believe that energy is life’s base, and everything has energy, and that’s why I believe in reincarnation!
If energy cannot be destroyed, then it must be able to be reused. Another thing I think personally is people say there is no life before birth, I do not believe this. Mainly because we cannot remember our own birth, first birthday, and we just cannot completely remember being babies. Our brain is still developing and thus cannot remember as well I think, but we are still in there. Death and birth is great, but thinking about the afterlife is magical!
I really hope one day we can expirament and hopefully find out what happens, but of course we can’t untill people stop saying it goes against god or it is morally wrong. Maybe people are just scared to know what actually happens. But who knows, we will never know untill we die…
Hi Annalee! Thanks for your thoughts on this. It sounds to me that you have a fairly well thought out idea of what to believe and that it is helpful to you. Does it matter if anyone else agrees? I don’t think so. Of course, it helps to stay flexible and curious because as the days unfold who knows what new info might be revealed. No 100% until we die–at least not yet! ~Kathy
An interesting article that has actually reinforced my growing belief that there really is more to human beings than a physical presence here in this world. Previously, I have been very dismissive of any suggestion that we somehow survive death. I was a staunch atheist and a non-believer in anything considered to be “paranormal” or spiritual. I’ve always been fascinated by the subject, particularly mediumship, but I have certainly never been convinced by anything I have seen or heard.
But now I’m not quite so sure and my mind has been opened to this possibility by adopting a different attitude to the documented evidence available and also due to personal experience.
I recently lost my brother-in-law in a tragic accident. He was himself very close minded to the possibility of life after death and lived a very pragmatic life. We have lost numerous family members in recent years and many events have been held to remember those people, but my brother-in-law rarely attended and was of the opinion that life is for the living and that we should move on. Since he died (or did he?), numerous very strange things have happened. For example, in the first two or three days after he died a small radio controlled car that he had bought for our son kept on moving entirely by itself. This happened several times. My son wasn’t playing with it and hadn’t for some time. It was just sat in the living room along with many other toys. The car drove a few feet across the floor on one occasion. It was bizarre and we obviously did question whether it could be related to our recent loss. A toy car that HE had bought moving entirely by itself? I ended up picking it up and placing it upside down and, sure enough the wheels spun all by themselves even after that. This happened maybe three or four times and only in the first two or three days after he passed away. It had not happened before and hasn’t happened since. We are told that those who have passed away can and do attempt to show us that they are still with us and this event is certainly in keeping with that suggestion.
Another relative eventually went to see a local medium and had a surprisingly uncannily accurate reading. As I previously stated, I have always been pretty dismissive of this, but I decided to visit that same medium for myself. Again, the medium stated a number of things that were one hundred percent accurate and, to my amazement, he even mentioned a red car and was quite adamant about it. He said it was a red car that wasn’t a “normal” car. Can you guess the colour of the toy car that kept moving? Red, of course. It blew me away. That and the fact that the medium was able to relay conversations my partner and I had held since his passing and I really did believe that this medium was actually communicating with my brother-in-law.
I’m sure people reading this will be seeking a more rational explanation for this or may completely disbelieve me. I would have done exactly the same thing myself in the past. I’m well versed in cold reading, hot reading and the various other techniques used by the numerous frauds who claim to have the ability to communicate with the dead. I also fully understand that the internet and various software makes a bit of research all too easy for these people. I’m no fool and I had this in mind before I saw this medium. It was the nature of the information that was given rather than the fact that he got my brother-in-law’s name, age and various other things. Those are not the things that impress me because a bit of research prior to the reading can easily provide that kind of information. Mentioning the toy car, including its colour was impressive. Relaying with one hundred percent accuracy several conversations that were held on the day of the funeral and since has me convinced that my brother-in-law witnessed them. But he’s DEAD isn’t he? How can that be possible? The answer is simple: I do not know. I don’t know how a person who has been blind since birth can describe a visual experience after an NDE either. It doesn’t make sense, but perhaps that’s the point.
Science has given us a lot and allowed us to explain many things, but you could say it has closed our minds and made us arrogant to some degree. We look to science as if it has all the answers. Because of what we DO know, we tend to think that everything has to be rational or strictly scientific and search for any alternative to believing in such nonsensical things as the possibility of human beings somehow surviving death no matter what evidence is put before us. Is that healthy?
Science is useful, but it doesn’t have all the answers and it can’t explain everything. Has it found a cure for cancer? No. If even now it cannot solve a very physical real world problem, how can it possibly respond with any authority and allow some scientists to completely disregard the possibility of life after death? Plenty of scientists have offered theories (for that’s all they are) regarding near death experiences and all of those theories dismiss the possibility of life after death. They dismiss it because they are scientists and expect us to dismiss it also because they are a scientist and a scientist has told us that life after death is impossible… in their opinion.
I still don’t know what happens when we die and I dismiss plenty of people’s NDEs because they have been recounted by human beings and human beings tell lies. Human beings are attention seekers and human beings are deceitful and have an agenda. For that reason I automatically completely dismiss any NDE that involves seeing Jesus, God or being in a “throne room” etc. That is a religious experience based on a belief system and preconceptions. But some human beings are not liars. Some of these accounts are convincing and appear to be genuine. Some of these people really might have experienced life after death and are sharing a genuine tale of continued survival even after their physical demise. There really might be something in this.
While I sincerely hope for an afterlife of some sort (and the opportunity to meet my darling Mum again) it is a somewhat forlorn hope. Alzheimers and other forms of Dementia beg the question: “If the brain, and all its complexity is gone then what’s left?”
A vain hope for some kind of spritual energy to which we all revert?
I have no idea – but I live (!) in hope 🙂
Thank you for all that have shared. I recently lost my mother….I hope and have faith that there is someting more….all that love, life, lessons, just to disappear with a last breath. Yes I know she lives on through our memories yes but she deserves to keep those memories too. She earned them. The more I read the more I think we cant know indefinitely. I think people wouldn’t live full lives, we wouldn’t take as many risks. We wouldn’t feel life the way we should. We need not know.
Hi Keri. Sorry to hear about your mom. Good for you for taking the time to think it all through and realize that even if we believe there is something that comes next we probably will never have proof of it. I just know that nothing disappears with a last breath…it might not look or feel the same…but it NEVER disappears. ~Kathy
I am happy I found your site. Proving life after death has been a very difficult thing for me because I have been Channeling for spirit for 31 years now and to date few people believe me although I have gathered wonderful information to prove it but unless people can experience these things and see them for themselves they do not believe.
I have found the ones the most difficult to convince are religious thinkers.
I believe in God and Jesus and a creator because I communicate with them often along with relatives and others and I am comfortable about writing about these things but as you no doubt know convincing others of this is not an easy task.
I am in fact right now doing automatic writing as the spirits help me write what we want to say to the world to help them believe in life after death.
Thank you for letting me post on your site.
I feel we must all work together to help the world believe more in life after death.
First of all I want to clarify that I do believe in God, To me whether heavens or hell exist or not?depends upon thinking of an individual, if one is too pragmatic in life then may be he would never in his life feel that the heavens or the hell exist, and I dont see anything wrong in it! The reason why I don’t feel it is wrong is most of the times it is been said that we have been sent to this place by God itself, so when someone has been created by God I feel that the answer is yes, god does exist and heavens too, but hang on whats this hell? Seems like even the God has some villans!! Kidding. Jokes apart, If God made us he has made us for some reason, and if god has made us he knows about our life and sins before we arrive on this planet. So for me a person thinking like this would have pragmatic view but if someone is religious and believes in God he would always be cognizant about what he is doing and pray that he doesnt commit any sins to end up in hell.
Hi Makarand! Welcome to SMART Living and thank you for joining this conversation. Because a big part of my writing is to encourage thinking for each of us, I was glad to see this did that for you. Naturally we are all influenced by our upbringing and our culture to be predisposed to any ideas of heaven or hell. Does that make it real? For all intents and purposes it makes it real for the person who chooses to hold on to those thoughts. My encouragement is always to question anything we believe as to how “life enhancing” it is to the person with the thought. If it serves you, gives you peace of mind and purpose, then by all means continue. But if you struggle with it and it drains your life of wellbeing and happiness, then you might want to reconsider. As always, I believe the choice is yours to make. ~Kathy
I’m 17 and I’m really afraid of dying. I would stay up all night thinking about death, I would cry because of it. A friend of mine have tried comforting me, she told me that we wouldn’t really know when we’re dead, but that’s what I’m afraid of, the fear of not knowing, and being gone forever. It just terrifies me. I don’t believe in resurrection bc I don’t believe in God. I don’t know what to do
Hi J, It sounds like you really, really need to talk with someone close. Wherever you are, I hope you find a person who can talk you though this. ~Kathy
Hi,
I feel the same way. I don’t think there’s a day that goes by when I don’t think about death and dying. My dog recently was hit and killed by a car and it definitely hasn’t helped. I feel like I have to believe there is life after death because not believing is too scary/uncertain. I just wish we knew what happened. It’s crazy that something that literally happens to everyone on the planet is also something we know almost nothing about. I’m scared of dying, but it’s pointless because there’s nothing I can do about it; it’ll happen eventually, not only with me but with everyone I love.
I think the fact that I’ll have kids gives me hope, that at least after I die someone will be able to remember me.
Try to focus on life and not death. It’s how I get through the day.
Good luck,
Megan
Hi Megan! Thank you for coming by and leaving your thoughts about this and your own journey. It sounds like you are relatively young, so good for you for taking the time to start looking around, reading and thinking about such an important issue this early in your life. While it’s true that there is no “final” answer to what happens after we leave this planet, there are lots of different perspectives that offer not only comfort, but helpful insight. Just as there is no one way to describe or to “prove” that love exists, many of us know the feeling and rest in the awareness that it is true for us, regardless of the proof. I think eternal life (in one form or another) is similar to that. I also think it’s important to find value in your life right here, right now. When you do then it matters less that anyone remember you when it’s time to move on. Good luck to you too and may you find the answers you seek. ~Kathy
Hi there. This is a really interesting discussion. I think the issue of life after death and spirituality in general is something which everyone has pondered at some point. Whilst I have never experienced anything as profound as some of the things I have read above, I have my own reasons for believing that there is more to life than what we can see on a minute-to-minute basis.
My own experiences have been rather basic. I live in Russia, where superstition and religion go hand in hand to some extent. In the village where my wife’s family comes from, belief in the supernatural is very deep seated. Problems are blamed on curses, witches and all kinds of inexplicable phenomena. The Orthodox church in this area plays a large role in lifting these curses and solving such problems. A few years ago, I was worried about my family’s finances. I woke up one morning feeling particularly down. I continued to feel this way through the morning and into the afternoon. When I took my daughter out in her pram for a walk, I stopped in a garden just next to a small church, and sat on a bench while my daughter slept. I sat in this place, and I can’t remember if I consciously prayed or not, but with my mind very heavy, I could think of nothing but how we were going to afford to live for the coming month. After 10 minutes or so, out of nowhere I suddenly felt a feeling of utter euphoria and relaxation come over me. It was as if I could physically feel all the negativity disappearing. It sounds cliched, but it really seemed as though an inaudible voice was telling me not to worry, and that all would be OK. I felt happy and content for the rest of that day, my mood having changed noticeably in a matter of seconds. I can’t prove anything, but I do believe that it was God that brought that about. I believe that by that church there was some kind of divine energy that I managed to tap into. It is the only explanation I can find, other than coincidence.
My view of heaven, the afterlife, and inexplicable phenomena is this: something else is out there. I have other examples from family members who have had unusual experiences. Also, it is often said that animals can see and feel things we cannot. Have we not all been in a room at some stage with say, a cat which has suddenly jumped up startled and ran from the room for no obvious reason? To people who doubt all this, I say – believe what you want, but thousands of people around the world have religious, supernatural or near-death experiences, communicate with dead relatives, are inexplicably healed etc., on a daily basis. If there was nothing beyond our consciousness, these things would simply NEVER happen to ANYONE. The fact that they have been reported throughout human history and continue to happen today is testament to the fact that we are not alone on this earth, and that there is real hope of a future after we die.
Thanks for the great article, and also the interesting stories in the comments section!
Hi Matt! Welcome to SMART Living and thank you so much for adding to this conversation. As you so clearly say we all come from different perspectives and see this so differently but it is very difficult to deny that there is something “more” going on here. While you haven’t had a near death experience, your experience with feeling the “grace of the Universe” while with your son is a lovely story. Who knows where or what it means but why negate it just because it is beyond our ability to “logically” explain it. I personally would rather delude myself with an awareness and understanding that helped me create a more peaceful and happy life than become a fearful, bitter and fatalistic person. But again, that choice belongs to each of us right? Thank you again for your comments and may your peace and contentment continue! ~Kathy
my 24 year old son died september 27th 2014 from a drug overdose. I am searching for answers as to if there really is a heaven and I will get to see my son again as I love him so much. I got to talk with Todd Burpo on the phone, he is the minister from the movie Heaven is for real. I am still not sure heaven exists and I want it to so badly. I just want to see my son again thats all I care about.
Hi John. I am so sorry to hear about your son. From where I stand I think death is harder on those who are still alive than those who have passed on. Unfortunately there is probably nothing I can say that will help you find the peace you seek but I sincerely hope you do eventually reach that place. ~Kathy
HI Jon
we recently lost our 23 year old son, I a not in denial but very angry, and no longer believe in God. My son wanted to live and loved life
I was wondering if you ever got a chance to see your son
Great article!
I am a former pastor who believes that yes, there is life after death. In what form? That I haven’t yet explored beyond what I was taught through my Theological studies. However, what I can attest to through my own personal experience is an out-of-body / near-death-experience.
Back in 1994 I was involved in a very bad car accident where the person who hit me was killed after being thrown through his windshield. As I came up a hill and preceded to make a turn – a car came around a curve and hit me. As his car continued off the road, my car was sent into a spin. Second later, another car came around the same curve and hit me. As I sat in my car trying to regain my vision and hearing through the loud ringing in my ears – I began to notice smoke and flames coming from under the hood of my car. My left arm was on the door with the window rolled down. As I FELT my arm move down to grab the door handle to open the door and get out – my arm never actually physically moved. I then felt my body ramming into the door to jar it open, but again, physically – I never moved. Within minutes a dark shadow of a man with whom I could make out no physical features approached my car. He unlatched my seat belt, put my arm around his neck, and pulled me from my vehicle. He laid me in the grass along the side of the road – and after that time I never saw him again.
In what seemed like hours I felt myself being moved onto a hard surface which turned out to be what the paramedics used to transport me by ambulance to the hospital. The events after being pulled from my car up until fully becoming aware of what was going on hours later in the hospital were very vague. While I was in the recovery room I was questioned by an Ohio State Highway Patrol officer who asked if I could give an account of what happened. After explaining what I remembered he asked me who I had spoken too, to which I replied, “Nobody.” He insisted that I must have been given my information by someone because the details I provided were almost too accurate in that I was still unconscious and in my car when the arrived on the scene. He informed me that the information that I gave would have had to come from an eye-witness.
I have told this story to only a few people as I have always believed that people would think I am nuts – but I know what I saw, conscious or not – physically or in spirit. So whether we exist in another world, in a heaven of sorts, or in a spiritual realm – I want and have to believe there is something before and after this life that we cannot – in our conscious minds visit while alive in this state.
Hi Shad! Thank you so much for sharing your own personal story on this. And I’m very glad you are still around to be able to share it! I think your story clearly illustrates that there is something going on in life that is far beyond our ordinary awareness. As you say, I don’t have any more proof either but your experience gives you the confidence and knowing that something exists. Because I believe strongly that what we seek is usually what we find, I too prefer to know that live continues in some way and on some level. Thanks again for your thoughts. ~Kathy
I have just found this site tonight, that is the right way to describe it.
I am a man of many years and as you get older you can look back and see what you could never see before. Bringing up a family struggling to survive the pressures of all this entails leaves no time to see how things have happened in your life. All the good things and bad things I now believe are to let you experience things you will not in the after life. I believe that things have happened to me many times in my life where I could have died but I survived of without being aware of this at the time. I look at this world of ours and see something that is too perfect and too fragile to be a coincidence. We are in a perfect relationship with our sun so perfect that just a minute difference would have meant we would not be here at all. Am I making sense the very existence of the human race is for me proof that we will all go to a different experience when we die. The NDE’S are a way for us to glimpse what we will all see when our time comes have faith you are more than you realise scientists are so taken up with science they cannot allow themselves to see anything else that science can not explain. If this seems to be just some one rambling I apologise just I want you to not be afraid look at your world its all a round its telling the lord exists and so does heaven have faith.
Regards to you all who ever you are
E R.Milner
Hi edwin! Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us all. I so agree that if we look around in nature we can surely see that there is something amazing going on. And the good news is that there ARE some scientists who see it as well. The challenge for us all is to allow each of us to find it in the way that works for us. While I might not describe it in the way you do, as long as I appreciate and celebrate the happening, we share a common experience. ~Kathy
Hello,
I am on a spiritual journey at the moment and I can across your website. I know that you wrote that some NDE are too specific to certain religions. I wanted to share my experience with you. I am 28 years old and consider myself a Christian(now).
I grew up in a home that did not teach me about God and specific religions. I can from a family that was very abusive and had many tragedies in my life as a child. I now have PTSD because of this. The first time I experienced any existence of God was when I was 19 years old. At the time I was drinking very heavily, and I mean a bottle of liquor a night, at times. One night I blacked out and had what I consider either and out of body experience or a near death experience. I am still not sure to this day.
When I left my body, I travel up and through the solar system. I could see planets and stars passing me at an unexplainable speed. I also had visions of Jesus and Mary and The Big Bang Theory, and Egyptian scrolls that contain the secrets of life. While I was moving through the galaxies, it was as if God himself was whispering all of the secrets of life into my ears. I can’t explain how excited this made me… But after a while, I was sucked back into my body. When I awoke, I remembered the experience and all of the visions, but It was as all of the secrets that I have been told had been wiped from my memory.
The next few weeks I had multiple “dreams” where I visited what I would consider Heaven. During the first dream, it was as if my spirit had left my body too, I appeared in this place in an instant. I was gliding over top of a body of water. I could feel a presence that was beside me, but it did not have a figure. It was speaking to me and showing me around this place, but it spoke through the mind. There was a sense of peace that surrounded me, and I could never explain how intense this felt. It was like nothing I had ever felt here on Earth. While I was there is was as if all of my memories from Earth were
Non-existent. I couldn’t recall how to feel pain or negativity, it simply did not exist here. As I was gliding over the water, I was looking ahead and could see the most beautiful colors that I have never even seen before. I was so amazed. That was something that really stuck out to me. There are SO many colors that we cannot even see or comprehend here on Earth. I eventually woke up and still had this amazing sense of happiness. I thought to myself, wow, if only we could figure out how to feel that way while here, it would eliminate all depression and sorrow.
There was another time that I dreamed that I was moving through this tunnel and instantly came to a light. As I got closer to the light I could see that there was a city, made of the same colors that I had seen in my previous dream. There were Angels and buildings, but everything was very translucent. I was shown by an Angel that there that a library, and it was made of a golden translucent color. Inside of it were all of the answers and secrets to life. Everything in the history of the world was in there. I didn’t stay long, or get to see too much of this place before I was back in my body and woke up.
I have had many spiritual dreams since then, and I have written most of them down in a journal.
I am now 28 years old.
Thanks for reading my story.
Hi Heather! Thank you for sharing your personal journey with all of us. I happen to believe there a many, many ways to experiencing life, and what’s beyond and your story proves that. As long as your experience helps you to find the peace and well-being that we all deserve in this lifetime then I think it is exactly what our soul wants us to know. I also support your keeping track of them and writing them in a journal. A journal can help us stay in touch with that still and precious part of us in a way few other things can. Good luck to you in the future and may you always find exactly what you need. ~Kathy
Hello everyone, i am a 23 years old male, atheist, from a corner Christian city in India named Shillong. I was born and brought up in a strict Muslim family, but as i gradually grew up, i started studying science and from then onward’s i totally believe in science, but i have been good for my whole life; never prayed to a God, but never harmed an innocent as well. I have always want to believe in afterlife but science does not let believe, it gives me this very depressing though that i won’t be able to see my Family and friends after death, and this idea gives me creeps. I have lost loved one’s and i would pay anything to see them. I fear what if i won’t be able to see them at all neither from religious point because i don’t believe in it, nor through science. I am very concerned about my mental health, i have conversations inside my head with my dead girlfriend. I have started hating people, i don’t want to go out with anyone, being a guy i don’t even crave sex anymore What should i do? Help me please.
Please excuse my English for error’s, it is my second language.
Hi Arshad. I’m sorry to hear you have been having a tough time lately. I don’t really have the background to help you through your current troubles but I’ll bet that there is someone near where you live that could help guide you. I believe that we all need people to talk to (in person, not just here on the internet!) and that might be your best answer. The challenge is to find someone you trust and who will allow you to come to your own conclusions without insisting you follow their way of doing things. My suggestion would be to reach out to people you know in your life and ask them if they know of anyone who you could just talk to about the “pressing issues of life.” Keep asking until something within you clicks and just feels right and then go and talk to the person recommended. It might be someone who professionally works with people or just a new friend. Stay open. Keep talking. You are not alone in this (I don’t think any of us are alone) and know that there is a person or group out there that can help you find the answers you seek. Good luck! ~Kathy
Arshad, you are not alone in your worries and fears, even now, late into morning hours with days after days of no sleep or comforting thoughts, i suffer through a life of worrying about the cessation of not just my own, by all consiousness. An unthinkably uncountable amount of time has passed before we ever had a single concious thought and my fear is that we return to that unconsious state when we die. I am terrified that we will never know another concious thought for the rest of eternity. I find no comfort in the idea of god or afterlife because the rational, and somewhat spiritually dead side of me can’t feel the truth in it. My rational side says that we as humans are not even a blip in time, we have been around for about 80,000 years or so. Compared to 99×9 to the power of infinity amount of years that passed even before the chaotic creation of earth makes me strongly disbelieve that humans possess the grand ability to transend life when such spiritual grandeur is possessed by no other creature on earth muchless by any other creature living throughout the vast, uncharted and unknown universe. I am scared Arshad, and i will never shake this fear so long as i have a breath in my chest. I want answers, i want closure, i want….just a shread of hope that there is more to life then darkness turned into light, superceded by endless unconsciousness.
Hi Sean! I realize that your comment was to Arshad but I can’t help jumping in here too. Obviously no one else can convince another that “something exists” behond themselves if they are bound and determined it is impossible. But while humans are indeed only a blip on the universal time line, we are still part of nature and nature cycles and recycles over and over again in so many infinite ways. And whenever I question my place in all of that I find it extremely helpful to go and sit somewhere in nature and just be in silence. Connecting to that deep heart in nature can often do it when nothing in the mind can suffice. Another thing that works is to find a clear space at night away from all light, lay on your back and stare into space. As Dr. Brian Swimme says, we are made of star dust and if we can but spend a bit of time feeling and experiencing that, many of our fears about what comes next dissipates. Never, for even an instant, think you are separate from that. I don’t know if these thoughts are helpful to you Sean (or Arshad) but if you really seek peace you will find it. ~Kathy
you just summarized my fears also , to never know what existed , to never know the love between my son and I who I lost one year ago existed is unbearable….I hope this made sense.
i am New Zealand Maori and maybe it’s because our people are very spiritual but it’s not uncommon to hear stories of our people being visited by loved ones or spirits who have passed on. I have experienced it myself when I was around 15 years. I woke up to see the image of a child aged around 7-8 sitting on top of our Tv swinging his legs through the tv for about 15 seconds, it might not sound long but it felt like forever! My cousin drove his car into the river and couldn’t get out because of his seatbelt when he saw our nanny Manuel who calmed him down , embraced him and told him it wasn’t his time yet and he got out. When I lived with my uncle he woke the whole house up half way through the night because he was yelling at a spirit of a man that was sitting in his lounge chair to get the f%#k out of his house! Turns out the neighbours father had passed on and we guessed it might have been him? (very small country village, neighbour was related)
These are a few of many stories or experiences that we use to hear of but I think now they are not as common these days ( maybe the younger generation aren’t as spiritual anymore?)
My father Inlaw passed a couple of years ago and speaks to my mother Inlaw only in her dreams, my wife (also NZ Maori) who was so close to her father is waiting for her visit, I hope it happens.
There is definitely life after death and knowing that I am always going to be in touch with my loved ones (especially my wife) for eternity ensure the future before and after death looks bright, just believe in it.????
Hi Moses! Thank you for sharing these lovely examples with all of us. I too agree that it is easier to accept if you have a spiritual dimension to your life. Anyone who is stuck in materialism or science will struggle their whole life to recognize the connection that many of us can’t imagine being without. That doesn’t mean we turn off our brains, but only that we know we are so much more than our physical selves. It also doesn’t mean there is only one way to believe it happens. Your stories share that in a very personal way. Thank you again for your comment. ~Kathy
I have terminal cancer and you can imagine how much this subject stays on my mind now.
Have always been interested, but not to this degree. Was a churchgoer during my youth; prodded somewhat by my Mom.
I surely believe that there is more after our physical death. I believe there is a supreme, infinitely intelligent being, or computer(?) that keeps the Universe in perfect order.
A God that judges us for transgressions, and decides, who is going to that burning lake I find very hard to believe.
I did not ask to be born, and believing I can be punished or rewarded, is hard.
I have always been a WWII buff, and read extensively about it.
Remembering the Battle of Stalingrad, and knowing hundreds of thousands of young men and women perished, I could not believe that this was all of their existence. These folks were intimidated and pretty much forced to fight and potentially die for their country and beliefs.
Not America though!
That can’t be all there is?
What about children in the Third World?
I believe that our souls, inner being, are given more chances, and that the goal is to improve ourselves, and to come as close as possible to having perfect peace in our lives.
I like that thought!
Hi Mike. I am very sorry to hear of your condition. I’m not surprised to hear that this topic is on your mind. It’s good (IMHO) that you are taking the time to see how you honestly feel and think about this subject because at this point that is really the most important issue. While all of us are “terminal” to a certain sense, the more imminent that possibility, the more important the conclusion.
I too find it comforting to feel that if the Universe, God, or Nature (regardless of what you call it) is as benevolent as I choose to believe, then it is not so frivolous to throw away lives as though nothing matters. There appears to be order even in Chaos and I think your perspective of “I believe that our souls, inner being, are given more chances, and that the goal is to improve ourselves, and to come as close as possible to having perfect peace in our lives.” is comforting and helpful. May it continue to bring you peace on your journey no matter where and how it goes. ~Kathy
It is interesting indeed that so many of the difficult questions come down to definitions. But this doesn’t mean there is not a genuine answer that corresponds with reality. It often just means that the answer may not be intuitive. Such is the case when we ask whether light is a wave or a particle. Intuitively it must be one or the other – while in reality it is something – but it’s certainly neither a wave nor a particle. The same can be said about whether something is alive or not. We’re alive. Rocks are not. But what about viruses?
And very much along those lines I suspect if we examined our definitions very carefully many Christians might find their position to be closer to my own. Does their God really have the form of a human? Does he really have arms and legs – when he has no need to walk around or carry things? Is he really a “he”? Why would he be? Without a Mrs. God what would be the point? And if he’s omniscient and lives outside of time – can he change his mind? What would that even mean? Changing your mind is something that happens *in* time. At one time you feel one way – and at a later time you feel another. It’s certainly not like that God would ever have to consider new information.
This leads to the question – does he even make decisions? What would that mean?
I think you can continue down this path and conclude that if God is omnipotent, omniscient, and lives outside of time, and indeed the physical laws of the universe, he’s really much more different than us than we might imagine.
Ultimately one might conclude that “God” is simply the physical laws of the universe itself.
Yup – definitions matter.
Fortunately, if God is omniscient, he knows that belief is not a matter of choice and will hopefully judge me accordingly.
Hi Rick….very well said, although I tend to be a Shrodinger’s Cat kind of woman and will NEVER look in that box just to keep the cat alive! AND, if SHE is an omniscient God then She will be too busy loving to do much judging at all. ~Kathy
Kathy – I think you misunderstood my above reply. My point was that being an atheist does not involve a belief system – but separately from being an atheist I happen to feel confident that the God of the Bible does not exist – two separate things. And while I certainly accept that the latter is an affirmative belief – I do not by any means claim that I’m absolutely certain about it as you seem to suggest (just very confident). I’m quite familiar with confirmation bias and try my best to combat it. That’s the best we can do.
My position is that, while there may be a creator of the universe, there is no evidence of such, nor any proof to the contrary. The God of the Bible on the other hand is just too full of obvious contradictions and we’ve learned so much about the history of the Bible that we can know its earthly human genesis and its errors. Whether there being a creator of the universe is an extraordinary claim I can’t say. But the story of the Bible and the God of the Bible is very definitely an extraordinary claim and therefore requires extraordinary evidence (if one expects to convince others of its veracity).
With respect to what scientists believe I have to disagree with you at least in part. There is a broad spectrum of what constitutes belief for scientists. Ideally nothing on the spectrum is based on faith. That said – some of their beliefs are absolute – or close to it, while some are mere hypotheses. Ideally we are careful to assign these each to the correct bin. But in the end scientists are human and subject to all the same limitations as all other humans.
As to a theory being only a theory, you have to keep in mind that the word theory as used by scientists is very different from what that word means in common usage. What most people mean by “theory” is what scientists would call a hypothesis. The theory of gravity (and evolution) for that matter is well proven. Wikipedia has a good page on this topic.
Hi Rick! Isn’t it interesting that most of what we’re discussing here has to do with definitions of different words and concepts (god, heaven, spirituality, theory, hypothesis, belief, atheist, on and on)? And there’s a quote, I can’t remember who said it, that sums it up perfectly. It goes, “without mutually agreed definitions conversation is pointless.” Clearly you and I define some things differently which is perfectly fine but makes ongoing discussion difficult.
As I age I have become more and more comfortable with the mystery of life and uncertainty. I am quite happy and at peace there which I understand is not what everyone else prefers. That’s okay. As I’ve said before, I have no intention of changing anyone else’s mind except my own. But that doesn’t mean I won’t raise questions now and then. 🙂 ~Kathy
My mum died a few weeks ago aged just 53 after a 6 year battle with cancer. Turns out it wasn’t cancer that killed her and we are waiting on an inquest to find out why. I lost my baby earlier this year.. and we’ll so many losses. I send my children to a c of e school to instill some ‘hope’ NOT belief as that’s a personal decision but I want them to have something to believe in.. They can decide later in life how they want to move forward with it. Today is hard. My first Xmas with no mum. A heartbroken dad. My brothers finding it so hard he’s had to be put on medication for people with ‘mental disorders’ I want to believe so much but today celebrating the birth of someone we don’t even know or have never met… when I’d rather be celebrating it with my loved ones that were taken too soon. 🙁
Dear Kirsty. I am so sorry to hear of all the loss in your life recently. There is likely no answer to the big question about heaven that will help fill the hole you are feeling right now. That time after such close loss is such a personal one that the best advice I could offer you or anyone else in the same position, is to take just one day at a time. As you say, hope is such a comforting thought for us all and dwelling on that to the best of your abilities, along with the love that you felt for those who are no longer with you, are likely helpful to getting you through this painful time. My hope is that gradually you and your family will find the peace you seek. ~Kathy
Thanks for you reply Kathy. To offer a subtle but important distinction – it’s not that I “believe” something different than the religious do (I used to be religious myself). It’s that I simply no longer have any such beliefs. If I told you that I knew there was no god – that would be a belief. Saying that I’ve come to conclude there is no evidence for the existence of a god (of the sort we most often speak of) is just to say I don’t have any such belief. In point of fact I feel quite confident that the God of the Bible does not exist – but I don’t know whether anyone or anything brought this universe into existence – and if so whether that entity is omniscient or even conscious.
The notion that the burden of proof is on the one making the extraordinary claim is not my idea. That’s a basic premise of science. Of course everyone is free to believe what they wish with or without evidence (extraordinary or otherwise). My comment was simply an observation that you can’t expect to convince others of extraordinary claims without equally extraordinary evidence.
I hope you enjoy Harris’s book. I’m sure you’re aware he’s somewhat of a passionate atheist. But if you can put that aside I think you’ll find there’s an amazing wealth of valid information to be found there.
Hi Rick! I know that it is tempting to conclude that once anyone has spent a lot of time thinking about and considering facts and ideas to confidently arrive at a place of being convinced that we/they are correct. After all, that is exactly what “confirmation bias” is all about. As humans we routinely find and latch on to those ideas that support what we believe. And after all, “belief” is defined as accepting something as true and feeling sure of the truth of it. So in spite of your confidence about there being no God of the Bible, that is still technically a belief. And make no mistake that scientists don’t believe their conclusions any more or any less. They may or may not have scientific proof to back up their theories, but many scientific theories are just that, theories. My point is, we ALL have beliefs and choose which ones we want to explore and confirm that to others might look wonky and strange. But just as you are convinced your’s are the “true” ones, others can be equally convinced to the contrary.
With that said, I too am actually quite confident that the God of the Bible does not exist in the way that the majority of others believe. And while I can’t really address how Sam Harris takes on the subject (I haven’t read Waking Up yet), I do know after reading some of his other work and listening to talks by him that he does have what I call a “spiritual” outlook on existence in some similar ways as I do. But having a “spiritual” perspective is so much more complicated and multi-dimensional than can ever be explained by one title or label. Unfortunately those of us who don’t fit the “traditional” religious label often get cast into the “atheist” group, I am far from it. And from my previous introduction to Sam Harris, I currently hold the belief that he isn’t “really” one either. Of course after I read his book I might feel differently–but if I thought his approach was as sensational and heavy handed as someone like Richard I would never have purchased Harris’s book in the first place.
But again, if your “beliefs” or conclusions (whatever you feel most comfortable labeling them) bring you to a place of comfort and peace in this world that by all means carry on! I just see shades of gray in every area of life — much like the Taoist perspective of yin and yang. I don’t think I’m “right” by any means, but I tend to believe things are far too complicated (and mysterious) for any one of our beliefs to be more “right” and conclusive than most others.
Thanks for your continued thoughts on this. I’m sure once I finish Harris’s book that I’m have a better perspective on where you (and he) are coming from these days! Happy New Year! ~Kathy
So I dont know where to start. I lost my younger brother in a car crash on November 30 of this year. So not even a month ago. He was 22 and wrecked right down the road from our home. I talked to him like 2 hours before he crashed. And he tried calling me twice 30 mins before it happen. I guess he wanted me to come get him cus he was pretty tired for working alot of overtime at work the past few weeks. The cops say they believe he fell asleep and he died instantly from impact. He didn’t have any marks on him. He was wearing his seat built. Just really sucks cus if I would of just picked up, he’d still be here. Like I believe in God and stuff but im always questioning it about what happens when someone dies. I can sit here and say I know he’s still here with me in spirit but my mind always wounders if this is all made up stuff. He was such a good kid. Had his head on his shoulders and knew what he was doing with his life. I just miss him being physically here. I just wish like one time I could see him again in spirit to make me know for sure that there is rlly a after life amd that I will see him and be with him again one day when my time is up. Like right now, I don’t feel like I’m in real life. Even though I know it is and he’s really gone. Its Christmas and it was the hardest thing to do was going to his gave on this day. since this happen, I always try to look for signs that he’s still here but I havent seen or noticed anything. I know none of us can 100% say there is a heaven or anything and it sucks cus I wish I could fully believe there was so I wouldn’t have to question it.
Dear Justin. My heart goes out to you and your family at this time. I am so very, very sorry for your loss. In my humble opinion it is far to soon to do anything but grieve the loss of your bother for the foreseeable future. I can’t imagine any explanation would come close to fully explaining how something this tragic could happen. I am sure you are still in shock about the entire situation and just need to take it one day at a time. Please attempt to surround yourself with people who love and support you right now so that you can find the comfort that you so need. And also consider that you don’t really have to believe either way right now. If you can’t believe in heaven this minute, try believing in love–and the memory of your brother that you hold in your heart. That is real and no one can take that away from you.
~with compassion and love, Kathy
While I truly wish there was a reason to believe that we somehow survive our bodies – I simply have never found such. Eben Alexander’s book is of course extremely compelling – particularly to those that would like to believe. Unfortunately his arguments are fatally flawed. In chapter 5 of his book “Waking Up” Sam Harris fully debunks Alexander’s arguments. Of course it’s not possible to prove that there is no afterlife – but it’s also not possible to prove there is. And it would seem the burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim.
Kathy – to your observation that “One thing is for sure we will all discover it for ourselves at some point” I have to say again that sadly I don’t think we will.
Hi Rick! Thanks for taking the time to stop by and share your thoughts on this. As I say in the beginning of the post my purpose is not to convince anyone else what “I” believe, but instead to ask that each of us carefully consider what “we each” believe and whether that brings us comfort and peace or not. If you are completely at peace with the decisions you’ve arrived at then that’s great. But please consider that each of us gets to decide where and who gets charged with the “burden of proof.” You are certainly in your rights to decide that it should be on the one with extraordinary claims, but others might feel equally as passionate and convinced to the contrary. For myself? I’m still not sure either way but I enjoy hanging out in the mystery of it all. Oh, and FYI…I just bought Sam Harris’ book and will probably do a blog post on it once I’m done! Who knows? Maybe he’ll change my mind! 🙂 Thanks for your thoughts on this. ~Kathy
When you lose a close one you will look for any sign they are still with us. No heaven just try to be healthy and happy and do the right thing.
Hi Tony! I agree that we all look for meaning and try to make sense of our world in a way that works for us. ALL of us do that whether we are for or against something. But from where I stand, if your explanation brings you peace, then what’s wrong with that? As you say, we all seek to be healthy and happy and as long as we aren’t hurting others with our actions, then all is well. Thanks for taking the time to check in. ~Kathy
I know there is something for us all after death I’m 20 yrs old and some might say I’m too young but I was recently in a car accident well a week before that car roll over I had lost faith in God and I became a none believer of anything . in the accident I was in the stage where I can try to stay awake or close my eyes and go .I was in so much pain I chose to close my eyes and at the moment I went into this vision of me in the dark walking but I knew where I was going even tho it was all dark someone was guiding me holding my hand and I knew there was light at the end of the darkness but before I felt the light I was woken back up to life idk if I died or not but when I got out of the hospital and cleaned my wounds I saw long 5 nail scratches on my right arm like something pulled me it wasn’t glass cuz that hand was covered by my body and the police said it was a amazing we survived flipped over 4 times in the air and managed to come out wit just sore body cuts and bruises now when I feel the wind I know its god and I know something is out there waiting for my soul and that’s my true home.
Hi Eduardo! Thank you for sharing your personal story with us. I think stories like yours are repeated over and over again with many people who have been through the same experience. And as you say if it brought you comfort and a sense of knowing your place both in this world and those to come, how can that be bad? Hopefully science will continue to research this topic and bring more and more clarity to the rest of us. Thank you again for your thoughts. ~Kathy
I have done lots of studying on this subject for 40+ years. I know the spirit / mind and body are separate things. I have absolutely no doubt. The biggest question I have is ….”Why?” In life or in death…I hope that answer is revealed. As far as skeptics go,…”We know what we have felt and what is truly true us …personally…there is no sense trying to argue with them…these experiences are extremely personal and we don’t need skeptics to divert our course. After all, they have hit a ‘brick wall’ that they (apparently) will never see beyond. Actually, I feel sorry for them. (Eric D.)
Hi Eric! Thanks for stopping by SMART Living and sharing your thoughts on this post. As you say, this is a deeply personal issue to people and skeptics will never be able to understand or relate. However, I do believe that there will continue to be those who explore and attempt to validate these claims so who knows what might eventually be revealed. One thing is for sure we will all discover it for ourselves at some point. Thanks again for stopping by. ~Kathy
Well, most scientists don’t believe in life after death, that is true. But they do find out some of the most fundamental laws of science which I do believe can proof life after death, for example:
Before someone dies, they are full of life, they talk, they eat, they digest their food they can jump up and down, what do we call this, energy. How many batteries or electricity would this take to “mimic” a human life on an average of 65 years?
One of most basic laws of science is the Law of the Conservation of Energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.
My understanding of it is, energy does not die, it is simply “borrowed” so this brings me to my next question, where does our energy go to when we die if we can not destroy energy? Interestingly enough, and I quote “energy can only be changed from one form to another” are they saying when we die, our energy we had as human being changes form, I wonder what that form might be, a spirit, does this mean, life after death?
Well, science can argue all they want, this is the law of the universe, we can not put an end to energy, we can not kill energy. What we as human beings have, is energy, how am I able to lift my arm, to move my mouth, move my eyes from left to right even typing this if not for energy. Is my energy generated because of vitamins or food, why are we not running out of energy the same time day by day, why do all people not run out of energy at the same time? Maybe because we simply don’t run on batteries, but a soul. Regardless, it is an energy source, and as we now know one of the most fundamental laws of science:
One of most basic laws of science is the Law of the Conservation of Energy.
“Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another. ”
–Cole Turner
Hi Cole! Thank you for taking the time to provide the thoughtful comment to this post. I so agree that energy NEVER dies and if we are energetic beings, then how could we possibly die. Change form? Of course? But never, ever to transform? Impossible!
Plus, I happen to think that some part of us is so beyond anything material (including energy) that is even more mysterious. Of course science hasn’t even come close to explaining that, nor does any religion that I can accept completely. But again, anyone who is fundamentally opposed to the idea cannot be convinced otherwise. Thanks again for your thoughts. ~Kathy
Although I find it a little bit more biased than I would like, still a great post! Especially when I also can add and relate to it.
See, I was born in Bulgaria, a former communist country, and at the time I was born (1982), there was still a totalitarian regime in power – you know, no churches, no religion whatsoever, no God. The only deity was the Party and the dialectical materialism of Marx and Engels, along with a soul-crushing atheism of the type “The only heaven is here on Earth, however it has yet to come and the Party will make it so”. The censorship and brainwashing were brutal, even in the kindergarten, where every morning they used to make us children sit for five minutes on chairs, facing each other, hands behind our backs – an exercise in powerlessness and obedience. So, you see, since I was born, I had NO source of information or influence on the matters of God or the spiritual, from the outside world – in fact, it was just the opposite.
And yet, I remember things…
You can easily compute that now I am 32 years old, but I still remember them. These memories go as far back as I can remember, my whole conscious life. They are not clear memories, but maybe visions. What I remember is so huge and brings forth so strong emotions, elation, awe, mystery, sense of unity and love, and connectedness, that every time I turn to these memories, tears fill my eyes right away and I feel shivers down my spine and my body hairs prick. However, all these are just words – the wholeness of these memories and experience is ineffable. I would only say that I somehow connect these memories to some grand, spinning celestial objects, some huge structures that are basically spherical, but may have other forms as well. This experience has obvously been so deep that even to this day I am attracted to all kinds of spinning objects – fans, turbines, motors, etc. This mystery and awe made me love cosmic sciences and night skies since early age. I love going to observatories and to mountain trailing. Sadly, my life went on a slightly different direction, I graduated Economics, not Astronomy or Fundamental Physics, but there will always be a place in my heart for these kinds of things.
To summarize, I was born in a non-religious environment, I still do not like religion very much, for reasons like fear inculcation, fanaticism and money, but I DO believe in God, and I believe that “God” is just a word.
One could argue these were just fantasies that helped me save my inner sanctum in the midst of the poisonous environment I was born in. I would ask – OK, I remember and can relate to these things since my earliest childhood. Where could have I got those fantasies from? And how exactly a fantasy could have such enormity, such impact and wholeness, such emotion to it, and how could it be such an experience so as to shape my personality? All my later experiences in life are vague resemblances to what I keep as a feeling from these things. I want to stress that I have never used drugs, I am not a sect-psycho or vegan, nor any kind of fundamentalist (no offence!). I consider myself a normal person – I like good food and good drink, I have had periods when I used to drink a little more than I should have, sometimes I am lazy, I work a 9-to-5 job, I am not married but I do have a girlfriend, I listen to metal and play in a band, I like to go out with friends, but I also like to stay at home, and so on.
So – a pretty much average person with limitations and wishes. But I cannot deny what I remember.
Hi Danny! Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment to this post. Yes, I admit that my approach to this topic is a bit biased. But I did attempt to provide some different ways of thinking about the issue that many others might find helpful. And I hope above all that it makes people think about the issue and what they believe themselves.
And that’s what your comment does for sure. There is no clear cut answer to this question and I would suspect anyone who thinks there is has either been indoctrinated to a certain position, or just doesn’t want to think about it. As I say in the post, I believe that just because there is no evidence of something, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or isn’t real. Your experience is a perfect example of something unexplainable. Is it real? It is to you. And I believe there are millions of others with unexplainable experiences that at least prove that there is something mysterious to our Universe that can’t be explained away by science. On the flip side, as you said, using the word “God” as an explanation, or certain religions as the one and only answer seemly equally limited. I believe we must each arrive at our own conclusions and let that be a guide to our lives.
Thank you again fro taking the time to share your thoughts. ~Kathy
Interesting article because nobody has the real answer. We fight with each other, kill each other and mock each other because of personal beliefs. Yet nobody knows the real answer. I do believe the man made God of religion is false, but that is me. I also believe we are the energy of the universe and when we die our energy goes on. How this plays out I do not have an answer. Like everyone I would really like to know what is after the body dies. Death does not scare me, I am old and believe I will know nothing when I die. But it would be nice if life lasted forever, but not even the universe last forever. Questions I do not believe science can ever find the answer too.
Hi Marshall! Thank you for stopping by SMART Living and sharing your thoughts on this. Obviously it is a huge question and there are no easy answers. I appreciate that you are open to the idea that energy is never lost or dead–it just changes. What we ultimately call that energy or how it works, is what religion is about IMHO–and there are millions of ways to interpret it. And I’m not even sure that there is proof that the Universe won’t last forever? Who is to say that it won’t just change form and be re-born either. The thing about science is that it raises even more questions when it answers some right? Maybe we are best to just embrace the mystery of it all? Thanks again for your comment. ~Kathy
May I see the pictures??? I have been struggling with my own faith!!! I do believe in eternity and in reincarnation just because of childhood experiences… I also had an NDE where I simply left my own body and watched…. It appeared to me that I was in the air and not in any physical form at all but still with some fashion of a conscious but different. I can’t explain it! I heard the policeman state DOA… I remember thinking that out loud and hearing screams from those who loved me… Not now!!! Not Now!!! He was jerking on my body and still doing CPR!! And the cop tried to get him to stop when I went back into my body!!! Not sure why I did, just the cries!! But odd! I don’t ever remember visions or anything… It was like I was in the air all around watching and leaving …until I was called back!!!
Hi Sharrees! Sorry I don’t have any photos to show you! That would be nice huh? I’m afraid all any of us can do at this point is keep the conversation open and growing. There is SOMETHING going on but I don’t think there is proof one way or another. It sounds like your example is just another piece of the puzzle. Like so many of the mysteries of life it is good to keep an open mind and use whatever is helpful and works for you to live a happy life. Thanks for sharing your story. ~Kathy
interesting theosis , but you failed to include the study on how long a brain can live after death. there are many research doctrines that suggest the brain lives up to several minutes upon death and as our knowledge of brain activity is merely “best guess” we do know the brain has vast potential according to study a mere second upon the death of a brain could release terabits of information that could seem like a hundred years to us… so, really what can we really know. ? i believe we are still in the dinosaur age and the greatest advancements of knowledge are yet to come
Hi Jesse! I sure don’t have any final answers on this but I’m hoping that people stay open to the discussion and realize that no definitive proof at the present time doesn’t mean that it’s not real…only that it hasn’t been proven one way or another. As you say, “The greatest advancements of our knowledge are yet to come.” Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. ~Kathy
Hi, my name is Matheus, I have 19 and I’m from Brazil.
Well, I came here to say that I loved your post, my thoughts are very similar to yours. I really enjoy this kind of topic, they are great to be discussed between people. I believe this kind of conversation only make us (humans) grow and see the world in a different way.